Comments on: Sunday Soapbox: DRM and Public Relations http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-drm-and-public-relations/ We're just like you... But we have a website! Thu, 12 Mar 2015 23:52:50 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: DarthGibblet http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-drm-and-public-relations/comment-page-1/#comment-2936 DarthGibblet Tue, 09 Mar 2010 03:25:44 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3451#comment-2936 Compare buying a used game to buying a used car. For the most part, the used game will be a vastly superior experience. Short of disc scratches (which are usually covered with return policies), there's no degradation in quality on the game when it's passed from one owner to another. What Sony (and others, like Ethos pointed out with the Cerberus Network) is doing with schemes like this is adding artificial degradation into their products. Really, it just puts the used game market on par with other used goods industries, but the problem is with perception (which ties in with the PR issue). One thing I've noticed about consumers is we don't particularly care about the position of the markets, we care about the direction things are going. Just look at gas prices. Every summer they start going up and people start complaining about them, then when they reach the same prices in the fall, but from the other direction, everybody's relieved that gas is so cheap (OK, so it usually doesn't get quite as cheap in the fall, but that only re-enforces my point). I think something similar's happening here. For the longest time, use games have been more or less identical to new games. This is probably why the price difference is usually so small. What I fear will happen with this move is the prices on used games will stay the same, but then you'll have to pay the extra fee on top of that (which, lets face it, most consumers won't know about ahead of time), which may very well bring the used game price to more than the new game price. I hope somebody steps up and takes the initiative to educate people about this new "feature" of used games or else a lot of people are going to end up pissed off (and rightfully so). Compare buying a used game to buying a used car. For the most part, the used game will be a vastly superior experience. Short of disc scratches (which are usually covered with return policies), there’s no degradation in quality on the game when it’s passed from one owner to another. What Sony (and others, like Ethos pointed out with the Cerberus Network) is doing with schemes like this is adding artificial degradation into their products. Really, it just puts the used game market on par with other used goods industries, but the problem is with perception (which ties in with the PR issue). One thing I’ve noticed about consumers is we don’t particularly care about the position of the markets, we care about the direction things are going. Just look at gas prices. Every summer they start going up and people start complaining about them, then when they reach the same prices in the fall, but from the other direction, everybody’s relieved that gas is so cheap (OK, so it usually doesn’t get quite as cheap in the fall, but that only re-enforces my point).

I think something similar’s happening here. For the longest time, use games have been more or less identical to new games. This is probably why the price difference is usually so small. What I fear will happen with this move is the prices on used games will stay the same, but then you’ll have to pay the extra fee on top of that (which, lets face it, most consumers won’t know about ahead of time), which may very well bring the used game price to more than the new game price. I hope somebody steps up and takes the initiative to educate people about this new “feature” of used games or else a lot of people are going to end up pissed off (and rightfully so).

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By: Ethos http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-drm-and-public-relations/comment-page-1/#comment-2934 Ethos Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:18:38 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3451#comment-2934 I disagree entirely. I think if you decide to be a used game costumer, you should not expect a single thing from the developer or publisher. Ubisoft's DRM directly affects all paying costumers who would normally desire to pay full price for the product. Used game consumers are giving developers the shaft, so I hardly think it should be seen as the developer giving the used game consumer the shaft, that's entering into spoiled princess territory. I agree entirely about the whole big Public Relations point, but it's like saying that pirates are getting shafted. I understand that used games consumers spend money on the game, but developers and publishers really have zero reason to go out of their way to encourage people to continue to buy games used when it won't benefit them in the short or long run. If you still see the companies as greedy monsters at that point, I will repeat my spoiled princess line. It'd be like if you bought Mass Effect 2 off of me and got pissed that you didn't get the free Cerberus network with it. Suck it up, you're buying the game at a lower price and Bioware doesn't get a cent. It comes with the used game territory. I disagree entirely.
I think if you decide to be a used game costumer, you should not expect a single thing from the developer or publisher.
Ubisoft’s DRM directly affects all paying costumers who would normally desire to pay full price for the product.
Used game consumers are giving developers the shaft, so I hardly think it should be seen as the developer giving the used game consumer the shaft, that’s entering into spoiled princess territory.

I agree entirely about the whole big Public Relations point, but it’s like saying that pirates are getting shafted. I understand that used games consumers spend money on the game, but developers and publishers really have zero reason to go out of their way to encourage people to continue to buy games used when it won’t benefit them in the short or long run. If you still see the companies as greedy monsters at that point, I will repeat my spoiled princess line.

It’d be like if you bought Mass Effect 2 off of me and got pissed that you didn’t get the free Cerberus network with it. Suck it up, you’re buying the game at a lower price and Bioware doesn’t get a cent. It comes with the used game territory.

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By: Riddles http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-drm-and-public-relations/comment-page-1/#comment-2933 Riddles Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:02:57 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3451#comment-2933 Even if they don't get money out of them, it's not good business practice to give used game consumers the shaft like that. There are a lot of them out there. This goes back to my whole, huge point about public relations. "We don't see the money from it, so we don't give a shit" is not good PR. It's still their product, and they should do a better job of standing behind it - even for those people who buy it used. Like I stated, this is the sort of thing that will only encourage piracy. My example of Average Joe Gamer remains legit. Even if they don’t get money out of them, it’s not good business practice to give used game consumers the shaft like that. There are a lot of them out there.

This goes back to my whole, huge point about public relations. “We don’t see the money from it, so we don’t give a shit” is not good PR. It’s still their product, and they should do a better job of standing behind it – even for those people who buy it used. Like I stated, this is the sort of thing that will only encourage piracy. My example of Average Joe Gamer remains legit.

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By: Ethos http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-drm-and-public-relations/comment-page-1/#comment-2932 Ethos Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:54:17 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3451#comment-2932 To which consumer? Why should Sony give two shits about a used game consumer? They shouldn't restructure around a base that they won't receive a penny from, and that system really only seemed to be a detriment to those consumers. And if you're buying games used, you don't have a right to get pissed at Sony either. You're not paying them anything. It has everything to do with everything. Otherwise, I entirely agree with you. To which consumer? Why should Sony give two shits about a used game consumer? They shouldn’t restructure around a base that they won’t receive a penny from, and that system really only seemed to be a detriment to those consumers. And if you’re buying games used, you don’t have a right to get pissed at Sony either. You’re not paying them anything. It has everything to do with everything. Otherwise, I entirely agree with you.

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By: SiliconNooB http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-drm-and-public-relations/comment-page-1/#comment-2931 SiliconNooB Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:07:36 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3451#comment-2931 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! http://kotaku.com/5488372/denial-of-service-attack-kills-ubisoft-drm-your-assassins-creed-ii-playtime HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! http://kotaku.com/5488372/denial-of-service-attack-kills-ubisoft-drm-your-assassins-creed-ii-playtime

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By: Riddles http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-drm-and-public-relations/comment-page-1/#comment-2930 Riddles Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:29:53 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3451#comment-2930 Ethos, darling, I know you like to disagree for the sake of it... but what does that have to do with anything? It's still a needless penalty to the consumer. Ubisoft's not making money off of their new DRM scheme either. It doesn't make it any less shitty. Ethos, darling, I know you like to disagree for the sake of it… but what does that have to do with anything? It’s still a needless penalty to the consumer.

Ubisoft’s not making money off of their new DRM scheme either. It doesn’t make it any less shitty.

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By: Ethos http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-drm-and-public-relations/comment-page-1/#comment-2929 Ethos Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:24:27 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3451#comment-2929 O.o It's the reason the Gamecube was the way it was. O.o

It’s the reason the Gamecube was the way it was.

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By: ConstipatedCow http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-drm-and-public-relations/comment-page-1/#comment-2928 ConstipatedCow Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:20:12 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3451#comment-2928 TL;DR. What is DRM? TL;DR. What is DRM?

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By: Ethos http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-drm-and-public-relations/comment-page-1/#comment-2927 Ethos Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:06:24 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3451#comment-2927 Well, in the case of that SOCOM example, Sony wouldn't see the money from a used copy anyway, so I can't find myself getting angry at them for that. Well, in the case of that SOCOM example, Sony wouldn’t see the money from a used copy anyway, so I can’t find myself getting angry at them for that.

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By: SiliconNooB http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-drm-and-public-relations/comment-page-1/#comment-2926 SiliconNooB Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:53:17 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3451#comment-2926 -Epic article. -Game Publishers love fucking consumers in the arse, and by extension love fucking themselves in the arse. Nothing good will come of this. -Epic article.

-Game Publishers love fucking consumers in the arse, and by extension love fucking themselves in the arse. Nothing good will come of this.

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