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Comments on: Sunday Soapbox: Where does Final Fantasy XIII fit now? http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-where-does-final-fantasy-xiii-fit-now/ We're just like you... But we have a website! Thu, 12 Mar 2015 23:52:50 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ethos http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-where-does-final-fantasy-xiii-fit-now/comment-page-1/#comment-8652 Ethos Mon, 07 Mar 2011 06:28:23 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3526#comment-8652 Greatest comment on the site. Greatest comment on the site.

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By: Andogo http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-where-does-final-fantasy-xiii-fit-now/comment-page-1/#comment-8646 Andogo Mon, 07 Mar 2011 06:19:47 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3526#comment-8646 ^This was biutiful. ^This was biutiful.

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By: I miss you FF so much :( http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-where-does-final-fantasy-xiii-fit-now/comment-page-1/#comment-8630 I miss you FF so much :( Sun, 06 Mar 2011 06:59:05 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3526#comment-8630 I'm missing so much FF... wow man its hurt... When I was 14 years old, ive met FF VI ...man, that totally changed emotionally my life emotionally. The drama, super depth history,the music, the world, the monster, cities... and especially the characters .. Ah the characters ... It's like a family that I had and will never return to me... This game, FFVI made me feel a world Parallel to our called Final Fantasy... has a fantastic history and very intense atmosphere. Final Fantasy "CLASSIC" has more DRAMA than ROMANCE. The registered trademark of the FF stories was his Fantastics frustrating Dramas. Final Fantasy 7 came back with a futuristic story about the decline of the world by the war and the capitalism. A History with highly mature point of view and philosophical about our world was Final Fantasy 8, showing the conflicts between "young adults" and the felling that they had to face the world too early, with their secrets of childhood and tralmas ... sooooooooooooo.......¬¬ Final Fantasy 9 .. returned to zero, all childsh and stupid .. From there I jumped FF10 and FF11, and then met FF12... LOL for love of God, who praises Final Fantasy 12 hit his head with great force!!! FF12 was a frustrated trying and failing to merge with Star Wars wtf was that ??? .. Squaresoft team was all drunk and drugged when they had this stupid idea? Copy the way a film by taking out all the originality of the series FF? For me FF series ended .. Its just a bunch of #&@%¨$ !!! .. never mind.. clones are just false advertising and mass advertising and exaggerated, saying to all the world that the the new version of FF is the best of all ... Wen i think in FF i get super melancholy cause FF died for it stupidities of its creators. FF remained just in my memory Fantastic and Epic, R.I.P. Final Fantasy. I’m missing so much FF… wow man its hurt… When I was 14 years old,
ive met FF VI …man, that totally changed emotionally my life emotionally. The drama,
super depth history,the music, the world, the monster, cities… and especially the characters .. Ah the characters … It’s like a family that I had and will never return to me…
This game, FFVI made me feel a world Parallel to our called Final Fantasy… has a fantastic history and
very intense atmosphere. Final Fantasy “CLASSIC” has more DRAMA than ROMANCE.
The registered trademark of the FF stories was his Fantastics frustrating Dramas. Final
Fantasy 7 came back with a futuristic story about the decline of the world by
the war and the capitalism. A History with highly mature point of view and
philosophical about our world was Final Fantasy 8, showing the conflicts between “young adults”
and the felling that they had to face the world too early, with their secrets of childhood and
tralmas …
sooooooooooooo…….¬¬ Final Fantasy 9 .. returned to zero, all childsh and stupid ..
From there I jumped FF10 and FF11, and then met FF12… LOL for love of God, who
praises Final Fantasy 12 hit his head with great force!!! FF12 was a
frustrated trying and failing to merge with Star Wars wtf was that ??? .. Squaresoft team was
all drunk and drugged when they had this stupid idea? Copy the way
a film by taking out all the originality of the series FF? For me FF series
ended .. Its just a bunch of #&@%¨$ !!! .. never mind.. clones are just false advertising and mass advertising and exaggerated, saying to all the world that the the new version of FF is the best of all …
Wen i think in FF i get super melancholy cause FF died for it stupidities of its creators.
FF remained just in my memory

Fantastic and Epic, R.I.P. Final Fantasy.

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By: Andogo http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-where-does-final-fantasy-xiii-fit-now/comment-page-1/#comment-3066 Andogo Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:44:55 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3526#comment-3066 I still have problems buying the "because it happened during a cutscene" excuse. Honestly, really? Nathan Drake has shitloads of shit happen to him during cutscenes, and y'know what? He soldiers through, 'cause he's Nathan-fucking-Drake. How is it that Final Fantasy characters can have a PLANET smash into their faces and yet somehow be susceptible to something as simple as falling 100 feet, with various canopies to break their fall? How? Did potions and Cure somehow drop out of the collective consciousness? I still have problems buying the “because it happened during a cutscene” excuse. Honestly, really? Nathan Drake has shitloads of shit happen to him during cutscenes, and y’know what? He soldiers through, ’cause he’s Nathan-fucking-Drake. How is it that Final Fantasy characters can have a PLANET smash into their faces and yet somehow be susceptible to something as simple as falling 100 feet, with various canopies to break their fall? How? Did potions and Cure somehow drop out of the collective consciousness?

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By: SiliconNooB http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-where-does-final-fantasy-xiii-fit-now/comment-page-1/#comment-3065 SiliconNooB Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:29:45 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3526#comment-3065 I think the story is pretty poorly put together, it's conceptually good but I just don't care about it. I think the story is pretty poorly put together, it’s conceptually good but I just don’t care about it.

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By: DarthGibblet http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-where-does-final-fantasy-xiii-fit-now/comment-page-1/#comment-3064 DarthGibblet Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:56:42 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3526#comment-3064 hehehe, "minge"... I'll agree with Riddles, though, that it is comical how long this thread has gotten about something thats completely off topic. I think that actually says something about how much Final Fantasy still matters as a series. No matter what your thoughts on FFXIII, we can still debate for HOURS about the past games, they're that important in our minds (I'm just as guilty of this as anybody, even though I haven't really contributed much to this particular thread, sorry). No matter what happens to the FF series or how the subsequent sequels turn out, the series is still important, if just because of it's past entries, and it always will be. Personally, I'm glad they tried something new with FFXIII. We've all talked about the "death of the JRPG" and how the genre really hasn't evolved, and it seems like FF is at least trying to stay fresh. Hopefully FFV (or vs XIII) can learn a lot from XIII's development (particularly the battle system) and address the complaints. In the mean time, I'm having a great time with XIII, even if I doubt I'll ever replay due to the extreme linearity of the first 1/2. hehehe, “minge”…

I’ll agree with Riddles, though, that it is comical how long this thread has gotten about something thats completely off topic. I think that actually says something about how much Final Fantasy still matters as a series. No matter what your thoughts on FFXIII, we can still debate for HOURS about the past games, they’re that important in our minds (I’m just as guilty of this as anybody, even though I haven’t really contributed much to this particular thread, sorry). No matter what happens to the FF series or how the subsequent sequels turn out, the series is still important, if just because of it’s past entries, and it always will be.

Personally, I’m glad they tried something new with FFXIII. We’ve all talked about the “death of the JRPG” and how the genre really hasn’t evolved, and it seems like FF is at least trying to stay fresh. Hopefully FFV (or vs XIII) can learn a lot from XIII’s development (particularly the battle system) and address the complaints. In the mean time, I’m having a great time with XIII, even if I doubt I’ll ever replay due to the extreme linearity of the first 1/2.

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By: SiliconNooB http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-where-does-final-fantasy-xiii-fit-now/comment-page-1/#comment-3051 SiliconNooB Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:54:52 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3526#comment-3051 Romance wasn't it's core theme, but was quite prominent during several sections. It'seemed as though Squaresoft were doing their level best to set Aeris up as Cloud's love interest before they pulled out the rug out from under us. "If it wasn’t obvious enough before, Crisis Core makes it especially clear that it was Zack Aeris loved" ... And right after that Aeris Joined a convent fer the several intervening YEARS, and welded shut her minge ... Romance wasn’t it’s core theme, but was quite prominent during several sections. It’seemed as though Squaresoft were doing their level best to set Aeris up as Cloud’s love interest before they pulled out the rug out from under us.

“If it wasn’t obvious enough before, Crisis Core makes it especially clear that it was Zack Aeris loved”

… And right after that Aeris Joined a convent fer the several intervening YEARS, and welded shut her minge …

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By: Ethos http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-where-does-final-fantasy-xiii-fit-now/comment-page-1/#comment-3050 Ethos Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:28:59 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3526#comment-3050 Bah-ha, well I wouldn't be that harsh, N00b, though I ultimately agree. FFVII obviously wasn't able deep love like IX did well, or X started to do well, or like VIII failed to do. I'm not saying it's a deep and powerful story of unrequited love (I was stating that unrequited love CAN be very powerful), I'm saying that FFVII is often about romance. Even if Aeris is just channeling her feelings for Zach, that doesn't mean it's not romance, even at the basic flirty stage. Plus, I don't give a shit about Aeris. Like Andy (and you) were saying, Tifa and Jessie and tons of people are throwing themselves at Cloud. He's as uncomfortable with it as a 6 year old. I guess what I'm trying to say is that love and sex isn't ignored in FFVII like it is in XII and XIII (unless you include the dead husband and frozen fianceé). It's presented in a believable way ala IX, and I've always liked VII for it. Riddles, I don't think there are many dots, and I don't think any character had a deeper connection than they had, I just think it's a little bit ignorant and oblivious to state that "VII was not, in any way, about romance." Although, we're probably mostly arguing semantics at this point. Bah-ha, well I wouldn’t be that harsh, N00b, though I ultimately agree.
FFVII obviously wasn’t able deep love like IX did well, or X started to do well, or like VIII failed to do. I’m not saying it’s a deep and powerful story of unrequited love (I was stating that unrequited love CAN be very powerful), I’m saying that FFVII is often about romance.

Even if Aeris is just channeling her feelings for Zach, that doesn’t mean it’s not romance, even at the basic flirty stage.
Plus, I don’t give a shit about Aeris. Like Andy (and you) were saying, Tifa and Jessie and tons of people are throwing themselves at Cloud. He’s as uncomfortable with it as a 6 year old.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that love and sex isn’t ignored in FFVII like it is in XII and XIII (unless you include the dead husband and frozen fianceé). It’s presented in a believable way ala IX, and I’ve always liked VII for it.

Riddles, I don’t think there are many dots, and I don’t think any character had a deeper connection than they had, I just think it’s a little bit ignorant and oblivious to state that “VII was not, in any way, about romance.”

Although, we’re probably mostly arguing semantics at this point.

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By: SiliconNooB http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-where-does-final-fantasy-xiii-fit-now/comment-page-1/#comment-3047 SiliconNooB Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:37:43 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3526#comment-3047 You're right, there is no exploration in Metroid. Would you like some crayons? You’re right, there is no exploration in Metroid. Would you like some crayons?

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By: Riddles http://riddlethos.com/2010/03/sunday-soapbox-where-does-final-fantasy-xiii-fit-now/comment-page-1/#comment-3046 Riddles Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:00:08 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3526#comment-3046 @Noob: I pretty clearly stated why I don't view FFVII's "triangle" as a romance story, and I never said it was because Cloud and Aeris didn't bang. This thread's over-analysis of FFVII's non-existent love plot is almost comical. Even IF Final Fantasy VII WAS a story of unrequited love, (which it's not, because Aeris didn't love Cloud, as I've gone over) it certainly isn't a "powerful" one in the least... unless you connect a whole bunch of dots that aren't really there, which is what you guys seem to be doing. @Noob: I pretty clearly stated why I don’t view FFVII’s “triangle” as a romance story, and I never said it was because Cloud and Aeris didn’t bang.

This thread’s over-analysis of FFVII’s non-existent love plot is almost comical. Even IF Final Fantasy VII WAS a story of unrequited love, (which it’s not, because Aeris didn’t love Cloud, as I’ve gone over) it certainly isn’t a “powerful” one in the least… unless you connect a whole bunch of dots that aren’t really there, which is what you guys seem to be doing.

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