Comments on: The Final Fantasy Awards: Best Game – Ethos http://riddlethos.com/2010/04/the-final-fantasy-awards-best-game-%e2%80%93-ethos/ We're just like you... But we have a website! Thu, 12 Mar 2015 23:52:50 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: SiliconNooB http://riddlethos.com/2010/04/the-final-fantasy-awards-best-game-%e2%80%93-ethos/comment-page-1/#comment-3654 SiliconNooB Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:48:56 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3901#comment-3654 The character interactions were natural, but there was no real depth there, it was all very dry and rudimentary. If your criteria for judging good characters is an absence of fuck-ups, then sure FFXII doesn't make any mistakes, but by every other metric FFXII's characters fail to engage. The character interactions were natural, but there was no real depth there, it was all very dry and rudimentary. If your criteria for judging good characters is an absence of fuck-ups, then sure FFXII doesn’t make any mistakes, but by every other metric FFXII’s characters fail to engage.

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By: Ethos http://riddlethos.com/2010/04/the-final-fantasy-awards-best-game-%e2%80%93-ethos/comment-page-1/#comment-3633 Ethos Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:52:09 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3901#comment-3633 Oh, absolutely the interactions were natural. I loved the scene direction and animation in XII. Still the best cut-scenes in any Final Fantasy. But the stuff they were saying were boring. Not just because the story was boring, but they way they said it all. It just wasn't interesting. It's way more a testament to the scene direction that I was looking forward to cut-scenes as well. Oh, absolutely the interactions were natural. I loved the scene direction and animation in XII. Still the best cut-scenes in any Final Fantasy. But the stuff they were saying were boring. Not just because the story was boring, but they way they said it all. It just wasn’t interesting. It’s way more a testament to the scene direction that I was looking forward to cut-scenes as well.

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By: 7thCircle http://riddlethos.com/2010/04/the-final-fantasy-awards-best-game-%e2%80%93-ethos/comment-page-1/#comment-3629 7thCircle Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:28:10 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3901#comment-3629 As we talked about on IRC in days past, the character interactions in FFXII were excellent, and it was the first FF localization that wasn't total crap. If you separate the characters from the confused, inconsistent, weak story they were attached to, I thought the cast was great. FFXII certainly has the most believable cast for me, and it's the only recent FF game where I looked forward to the naturally flowing cutscenes that showed the characters being themselves and acting natural. The problem was that the story itself was junk, and although you control Vaan from the start, he was an auxiliary character and you needed to regard him as such. I wouldn't put it on top, but I would give it a small edge over FFIX. As we talked about on IRC in days past, the character interactions in FFXII were excellent, and it was the first FF localization that wasn’t total crap. If you separate the characters from the confused, inconsistent, weak story they were attached to, I thought the cast was great. FFXII certainly has the most believable cast for me, and it’s the only recent FF game where I looked forward to the naturally flowing cutscenes that showed the characters being themselves and acting natural. The problem was that the story itself was junk, and although you control Vaan from the start, he was an auxiliary character and you needed to regard him as such.

I wouldn’t put it on top, but I would give it a small edge over FFIX.

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By: SiliconNooB http://riddlethos.com/2010/04/the-final-fantasy-awards-best-game-%e2%80%93-ethos/comment-page-1/#comment-3623 SiliconNooB Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:36:29 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3901#comment-3623 ... XII's cast don't come anywhere close to coming out on top (WTF?). The cast of VI are great as were IX, along with other many casts ... but FFXII's doesn't cut it, Balthier was pithily amusing, but only comparatively ... … XII’s cast don’t come anywhere close to coming out on top (WTF?). The cast of VI are great as were IX, along with other many casts … but FFXII’s doesn’t cut it, Balthier was pithily amusing, but only comparatively …

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By: Ethos http://riddlethos.com/2010/04/the-final-fantasy-awards-best-game-%e2%80%93-ethos/comment-page-1/#comment-3621 Ethos Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:20:09 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3901#comment-3621 Bah-ha ha ha, I accept. I can understand preferring VII's cast (or the SNES ones for that matter since I can't speak from experience), but mentioning XII surprises me a bit. Although I liked it more than most. I like Balthier and Fran, and even that prince kid. Bah-ha ha ha, I accept.
I can understand preferring VII’s cast (or the SNES ones for that matter since I can’t speak from experience), but mentioning XII surprises me a bit.
Although I liked it more than most. I like Balthier and Fran, and even that prince kid.

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By: 7thCircle http://riddlethos.com/2010/04/the-final-fantasy-awards-best-game-%e2%80%93-ethos/comment-page-1/#comment-3619 7thCircle Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:33:11 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3901#comment-3619 I know I have biases when it comes to Final Fantasy games. The last couple times in my life that I felt depressed, I hooked a SNES to my TV and played an old RPG from my childhood. It comforts me. And I know I will always view FF4 and FF6 through a filter like that. I didn't mean to sound incredulous or offended that you guys would prefer the PS1 FFs as a whole over the others. My points aren't always made from a "RAWR I'M OBJECTIVE AND YOU ARE NOT" standpoint, and any conversation comparing Final Fantasy games across the entire series isn't going to be unbiased and objective anyway. We all know that. IX's cast was nice and all. I liked the characters. I liked that they were believably funny one moment and touching the next. But my nostalgia filter ranks IV and VI's casts over IX's, and my common sense filter puts VII and XII's cast over IX's, so that award seemed more super subjective than the others. Also, any excuse to say "child, please." Really, any argument I end with "child, please" is one that I know is flimsy. I know I have biases when it comes to Final Fantasy games. The last couple times in my life that I felt depressed, I hooked a SNES to my TV and played an old RPG from my childhood. It comforts me. And I know I will always view FF4 and FF6 through a filter like that. I didn’t mean to sound incredulous or offended that you guys would prefer the PS1 FFs as a whole over the others. My points aren’t always made from a “RAWR I’M OBJECTIVE AND YOU ARE NOT” standpoint, and any conversation comparing Final Fantasy games across the entire series isn’t going to be unbiased and objective anyway. We all know that.

IX’s cast was nice and all. I liked the characters. I liked that they were believably funny one moment and touching the next. But my nostalgia filter ranks IV and VI’s casts over IX’s, and my common sense filter puts VII and XII’s cast over IX’s, so that award seemed more super subjective than the others. Also, any excuse to say “child, please.” Really, any argument I end with “child, please” is one that I know is flimsy.

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By: SiliconNooB http://riddlethos.com/2010/04/the-final-fantasy-awards-best-game-%e2%80%93-ethos/comment-page-1/#comment-3613 SiliconNooB Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:23:37 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3901#comment-3613 And to a *lesser extent* Freya. And to a *lesser extent* Freya.

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By: SiliconNooB http://riddlethos.com/2010/04/the-final-fantasy-awards-best-game-%e2%80%93-ethos/comment-page-1/#comment-3612 SiliconNooB Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:21:41 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3901#comment-3612 FFIX has an amazing core cast, but the party has a bunch of filler characters also: Amarant, Eiko and to a Freya. It's not the cast that I'd choose, but it's good enough that I wouldn't question it as your pick. FFIX has an amazing core cast, but the party has a bunch of filler characters also: Amarant, Eiko and to a Freya. It’s not the cast that I’d choose, but it’s good enough that I wouldn’t question it as your pick.

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By: Ethos http://riddlethos.com/2010/04/the-final-fantasy-awards-best-game-%e2%80%93-ethos/comment-page-1/#comment-3610 Ethos Mon, 12 Apr 2010 04:19:19 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3901#comment-3610 It was funnier as an inside joke. And I think your bias is more present in your comment there than in my posts. I firmly stand by my decision with FFIX as best cast. I simply can't think of a FF game that I've completed that has a better one. Obviously people will be kinder to the generation that brought them in (although I like X, X-2, and XII quite a bit and all three more than VIII), but I did give thought to all these awards, and didn't pidgeonhole FFIX into awards it didn't deserve like Battle System and Storyline. Plus, I've beat FFII and FFIII and I haven't beat IV-VI, so they got the ignore, and it kinda bothered me, but I had to work with what I've played. Glenn, usually you make incredible, inarguable points, but you seem flimsy this time. Riddles and I were both obviously swayed by nostalgia to a degree, a point we both make, but your preference for VII only left room to accuse IX of being shoehorned, and not VII. My top three (IX, XII, and VII) are all very close, and I would call all three excellent games without hesitation. It was funnier as an inside joke.

And I think your bias is more present in your comment there than in my posts. I firmly stand by my decision with FFIX as best cast. I simply can’t think of a FF game that I’ve completed that has a better one.
Obviously people will be kinder to the generation that brought them in (although I like X, X-2, and XII quite a bit and all three more than VIII), but I did give thought to all these awards, and didn’t pidgeonhole FFIX into awards it didn’t deserve like Battle System and Storyline.

Plus, I’ve beat FFII and FFIII and I haven’t beat IV-VI, so they got the ignore, and it kinda bothered me, but I had to work with what I’ve played.

Glenn, usually you make incredible, inarguable points, but you seem flimsy this time. Riddles and I were both obviously swayed by nostalgia to a degree, a point we both make, but your preference for VII only left room to accuse IX of being shoehorned, and not VII.

My top three (IX, XII, and VII) are all very close, and I would call all three excellent games without hesitation.

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By: 7thCircle http://riddlethos.com/2010/04/the-final-fantasy-awards-best-game-%e2%80%93-ethos/comment-page-1/#comment-3608 7thCircle Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:08:21 +0000 http://riddlethos.com/?p=3901#comment-3608 It's interesting to me that people's favorite FF tends to be the one of the first ones they've played. The lists this week were dominated by the PS1 Final Fantasy titles, and both of you got into Final Fantasy in the PS1 era. Someone who's a touch older and got into FF in the SNES days would probably have been kinder to FF4 and FF6. Maybe someone a touch younger would have been kinder to the PS2 FFs and explained how FF X-2 deserved to win half of the awards. At least FF7 was an excellent game, and IX was a... well... less excellent than VII but still good game. IX felt nostalgiaed/shoehorned into some of the Ethos awards, to be honest. Best cast? Child, please. Also, how trendy defaulting to FF3 when you can't come up with a decent dishonorable mention for awards. Really, if you're going to keep anything before FF7 from getting any more than a brief side mention in a single category between the two of you, it would have been more interesting in hindsight if you had also limited the dishonorable mentions that way. It would have forced you to think about the dishonorable mentions more if you had to pick between 7-12 for each one, and the justifications would have been more entertaining to read. Realistically, there was no way FF1-3 could win awards for story, music, etc, so why bother putting them up for losing them? It’s interesting to me that people’s favorite FF tends to be the one of the first ones they’ve played. The lists this week were dominated by the PS1 Final Fantasy titles, and both of you got into Final Fantasy in the PS1 era. Someone who’s a touch older and got into FF in the SNES days would probably have been kinder to FF4 and FF6. Maybe someone a touch younger would have been kinder to the PS2 FFs and explained how FF X-2 deserved to win half of the awards. At least FF7 was an excellent game, and IX was a… well… less excellent than VII but still good game. IX felt nostalgiaed/shoehorned into some of the Ethos awards, to be honest. Best cast? Child, please.

Also, how trendy defaulting to FF3 when you can’t come up with a decent dishonorable mention for awards. Really, if you’re going to keep anything before FF7 from getting any more than a brief side mention in a single category between the two of you, it would have been more interesting in hindsight if you had also limited the dishonorable mentions that way. It would have forced you to think about the dishonorable mentions more if you had to pick between 7-12 for each one, and the justifications would have been more entertaining to read. Realistically, there was no way FF1-3 could win awards for story, music, etc, so why bother putting them up for losing them?

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